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Toy Run Day Trip
December 6, 1998
by Larry Soo
After showing up to drop-off some toys for the annual
charity Toy Run, we ducked out before the parade began. The
local mountains had just gotten a dump of snow and we wanted
to go play. Ryan Gates from the BCOffroad mailing list was
headed to the west Stave Lake road so we decided to head out
there and run into him. By "we," I'm talking about:
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Larry Soo
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Jeep YJ 4.0L, 33" General Grabber MTs, SOA, rear Lockright
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Chris Waterman
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Jeep YJ 4.2L, 35" General Grabber MTs, SOA, rear Lockright
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Gordon Pritchard
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Toyota FJ45 Pickup, 33" BFG MTs, SOA
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On the way to Stave Lake, we picked up Wil Girindra in his
dual xfer case Toyota shortbox. He was waiting for us near
256 St. As we drove along the lake level portion of the
west Stave Lake road, there was no snow to be seen. But
once we started gaining altitude, we saw more and more snow.
It was wet and dense, perfect for building a snowman. This
was evidenced by a large snow man on the side of the road,
left by an anonymous artist.
When not covered with snow, this road is very tame. It
travels north between Stave Lake on the right and Alouette
Lake on the left. The roads ends at the 600 meter level
where you are rewarded with a panoramic view of both lakes.
Any stock 4x4 can reach the end of the road. When covered
with snow, things are different. The last two or three
kilometers of this road involves some steep grades on the
side of a mountain. Throw some snow onto this section and
you end up with a very challenging bit of road. Of course,
it all depends on the type of snow. If it's "dry" or powder
snow, you can usually climb the grades. When it's wet and
packs hard, it's not too bad unless it packs too hard in
which case it soon becomes icy. As well, it's harder to
break through wet snow because of its density.
I was driving in 2WD for most of the way until we got to the
last three kilometers. I shifted into 4WD and when we
reached the first steep hill (which is loose rock under the
snow), I had to shift into 4WD. Halfway up, I started
slipping and couldn't maintain forward progress. Wil
suggested we take that opportunity to air down the tires.
After we finished airing down, Chris couldn't find his keys.
Uh-oh. He had put them in his pocket when he got out of his
Jeep but somewhere along the line they fell out...into the
snow. We spent thirty minutes sifting through the snow. I
started pondering which of my screwdrivers we were should
hammer into his ignition switch. Luckily for Chris, he
found his keys. We continued on our way. Airing down to 15
psi made a big difference in traction.
For most of the drive, we were following tracks left by
another vehicle shod with Swamper tires. The tracks ended
high above Stave Lake, where they indicated that the driver
had turned around at a fork in the road. The right side
branch headed slightly downhill and dead-ended after a few

This is about as far as we were able to get up the
main road. In the background is Stave Lake. Chris &
Wil are airing down my tires for another try...Gord is
staring at the camera.
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hundred meters. The left branch was a steep grade which was
the road we wanted to take. It was covered with virgin snow
and I was in the lead. Using a little more throttle, I was
able to make my way about 30 meters up the hill before
losing traction. Several repeat attempts earned another 20
meters. After that, it became quite scary backing down. The
front end started sliding sideways. Any forward or backward
movement caused it to slide a little bit more. Not wanting
to get sideways on this hill, I parked the Jeep and got to
work with the shovel. I dug down to the rock to make some
tracks for backing down while Wil and Chris aired down my
tires to 9 psi. The tracks worked, allowing me to safely
back down. I made a few more attempts to break through the
snow but made only a half-meter of progress each time. We
decided to turn around and search for other trails to play
on.
On the way back, I directed Wil to a neat little diversion
trail which looped back onto the main road. We followed him
and upon returning to the main road, we met Ryan Gates and
friends. We chatted for a bit while Ryan aired down his
tires. They wanted to see how far they could get on the
main road so we departed in opposite directions. By this
time, there was a lot more traffic on the road. Lots of
offroaders were out looking to play in the snow. Ten
minutes later, we ran into some PORCers. Phil, Andrew, Ian,
Jason, Raf and Mel of the Pacific Offroad Club. Phil had
just bought a built '87 Wagoneer and they had come out here
to try it out. Rather than try their hand at snow busting
at the end of the road, they decided to join us as we headed
back towards the mountain trail near Sayres Lake, a tiny
lake adjacent to Stave.
Wil was in the lead when we reached the trailhead. He was
taking quite a bit of time getting setup for the entrance.
Most of the guys in my group had parked their vehicles and
got out to watch. I had gone through here many times

It felt much worse than it looks. You can see how the
passenger side rear corner slipped into a culvert
ditch.
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before and couldn't remember why he would be approaching it
with so much caution. After several minutes, another
vehicle started coming down the road behind me. It was a
grey Cherokee which we had blocked twice earlier today when
we stopped to talk to other offroaders we met. Not wanting
to block him yet again, I passed the parked vehicles in our
group and decided to drive off into the trailhead. I was
paying too much attention to Wil's truck which was now
getting over a large dirt/rock pile and I didn't notice the
deep culvert ditch to my right. The right rear corner of
my Jeep slid sideways into the ditch, causing the driver's
side corner to lift into the air. The Jeep was slowly
see-sawing with 2 feet of air under my dangling tire.
Yikes! Like any experienced offroader, Ian ran to my
aid...he grabbed the end of my front bumper and started
pushing it higher to give me a scare. Odd, it always
seemed funny when *I* did it to other people. After
everyone (including strangers who were driving by) got
their fill of photographing and videotaping my predicament,
my "friends" finally got around to helping me. Wil backed
up and pulled my Jeep out of the ditch. As always, the
resulting photos demonstrated that it looked much worse
from inside the Jeep than from outside.

Mel watches as Raf tries to crest the rock pile.
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The others avoided the ridiculous line that got me into the
ditch and made it through easily and then onto the dirt/rock
pile. Some of them had trouble because they high-centered on
the crest. I had to give Andrew a tug. Raf's YJ couldn't
get over so he parked and he and Mel rode with Phil. Jason
also parked his stock XJ and rode with Phil. Gord knew his
long FJ45 wouldn't high center and without any underside
armour, he decided not to make the attempt. He had to be
home earlier than we did so he decided to leave then.
This trail, for which we don't have a name, winds its way up
Mt. Crickmer to an old logging operation. It's a good
challenge for stock trucks but too difficult in the snow.
Wil was in the lead and doing ok until the grades became
steeper. He was aired down to around 9 psi but I think he
should have gone to 3 psi. It takes a lot of airing down
before those Swampers start flattening their sidewall
profile. My General MTs at 9 psi were quite flat and I was

Andrew and his poor man's snow chains.
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able to keep up with Wil quite easily, even though he had
the benefit of two lockers. Chris Waterman also had very
little trouble with his aired down 35" General MTs. I am
now convinced that a large contact patch is the best way to
deal with snow offroad, even if you're not trying to float
on the snow like those extreme Iceland 4x4s. Back to the
story. Although Wil was having some trouble, Andrew and Phil
were having even more trouble. At one obstacle, Wil was
starting to slide towards a precipice as he attempted to
drive around a fallen tree. After some very delicate
driving, he was safely past the tree. I followed him and we
waited for the others. Andrew's black YJ was having trouble
getting past the tree. Besides airing down some more, he
decided to try a trick he read about. He started tying
nylon rope around his wheels to serve and tire chains.
While he and Ian were doing that, I went to see what Chris
was up to. His big red YJ had Phil's XJ strapped to the
back and he was busy trying to pull him up the hill. Phil
was only aired down to around 20 psi so we told him to go
much lower.
Once Phil aired down some more and Andrew had his "snow
chains" installed, they were easily able to get past the
tree. Wil continued to chew his way through the snow.
Going around a switchback, Wil started having more trouble
on a rock-strewn (under the snow) section. His Toyota
started digging sideways and was soon inches away from a

Here's a shot of Phil, back when he still thought he
could drive his way over the rock pile.
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tree. Time for the winch. Because I was behind him, I was
going to run the line from my Jeep, through a snatch block,
and back to his truck. Wil suggested, instead, that I try
to drive past his truck and winch him from the front. I
gave it a shot and surprisingly, I was able to drive past
him without much difficulty. I turned around at the next
switchback and aimed my winch at his Toyota. While I
winched, Wil kept the tires turning to help out. While we
were doing this, Chris announced over the CB that everyone
else wanted to go home because it was getting dark. Once
Wil was past my Jeep, he turned around and we all headed
back down to the main road. Phil was at the back on the way
up so he led on the way down. He was the first one to reach
the rock pile by the main road and boy, did he ever do a
good job of hanging his Wagoneer on the rocks. He tried a
few times to drive himself off but only succeeded in
removing the support under his tires, making his predicament
worse. Around this time, some other offroaders drove by

The unfortunate reality was that it would take at least
an hour before we freed the Wagoneer from the rocks.
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including Ben Olsen in his very cool Suzuki LJ, Garry
Chretien in his FJ40, and their friends. It was dark by
this time our group was blocked by Phil's Jeep. After a lot
of unsuccessful attempts to free the Jeep, Ben positioned
his LJ so he could winch Phil forwards, over the rocks. His
LJ was too light so Garry's friend tried to put his FJ40 in
a position to anchor the Suzuki. But then he got stock near
the ditch that I had problems with earlier on. So then
Jason hopped in his XJ which he left parked on the other
side of the road to pull the FJ out. But the XJ didn't have
enough weight. While that comedy of errors was taking
place, we used a Jackall on the back of the Wagoneer and a
scissor jack under the frame rail to lift it high enough to
unhang it. Then we started piling rocks and Phil's spare
tire under the wheels so he would no longer be stuck.
FINALLY, everything was ready and Phil's Jeep was easily
extracted. Gee, what a fun way to spend an hour. The rest
of us got through with much less drama. Once again, I was
thankful for Chris' onboard, engine-driven air compressor.
He aired up his Jeep, mine and Wil's Toyota much faster than
it would have taken at a service station, thanks to his dual
air chuck setup.
...lars
ps: Thanks to Ben Olsen for sharing some of his exhaust
manifold-heated snacks with me.
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