[Andy Rad]

Went to Clear Creek yesterday just for the hell of it. Since I hadn't been there in a few months I thought it would be fun to go play on the tidbits of old trail that still existed. When we were last up there they had left the two best parts of the trail open for us to warm up to a soak in the tubs. Not so anymore. Now the only section of remaining trail open is the lower section, the upper is trapped and baricaded. The tubs however are busier than ever and there is someone living in a trailer 100 yards short of the springs.

I remember four or five years ago when fisheries had the trail closed due to the many water crossings that created a silt problem for their precious fishies, that I have still never seen, in Clear Creek. Yet the road that they just built is so soggy, and with no silt traps that I could see, that there is no way on this earth that our twelve water crossings caused anywhere near the damage to Clear Creek that this latest logging project has done. The top soil and silt just runs right into the creek, unrestricted.

ps. thanks for keeping your promise to keep as much as possible of the old trail available to us. Ass Holes.

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Andy Rad..., President High Country Explorers 4x4 Club, 90 Ranger, 6" bits & pieces lift, locked front D35, posi rear 8.8, Ramsey equiped, 32x11.5 Mud Rovers, 4.56 gears, real cozy seats.

 

[lars]

Originally posted by Andy Rad:
Now the only section of remaining trail open is the lower section, the upper is trapped and baricaded.

Why would they barricade those sections?

The tubs however are busier than ever and there is someone living in a trailer 100 yards short of the springs.

You mean like a squatter? Or is the person living there because he or she maintains or guards logging equipment that's left there, kind of like a caretaker?

I remember four or five years ago when fisheries had the trail closed due to the many water crossings that created a silt problem for their precious fishies, that I have still never seen, in Clear Creek. Yet the road that they just built is so soggy, and with no silt traps that I could see, that there is no way on this earth that our twelve water crossings caused anywhere near the damage to Clear Creek that this latest logging project has done. The top soil and silt just runs right into the creek, unrestricted.

Does anyone know much about proper logging road building requirements? It would be interesting to document any violations and forward them to fisheries. More out of spite than anything else.


...lars


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[Andy Rad]

A caretaker is living in the trailer and a front end loader is blocking the trail. A huge slash pile is on top of the famous bulldozer. BYE BYE HISTORY.

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Andy Rad..., President High Country Explorers 4x4 Club, 90 Ranger, 6" bits & pieces lift, locked front D35, posi rear 8.8, Ramsey equiped, 32x11.5 Mud Rovers, 4.56 gears, real cozy seats.

 

[mr_cheevus]

The road silting violations are violations of the Forest Practices Code, so it is a MoF problem, not a Fisheries problem. Call up the MoF and give them an earful. It sickens me as to how much logging companies and the MoF don't listen unless you get in their face. I would try to raise a stink with Pretty's Timber as well... I think they are the guys who have the cutting rights in that area.

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[show off]

when building a road through the bush it is mandatory to put in a colvert no matter how small the stream,creek is so that you don't disrupt the surrounding area.ie.samon runs etc.I used to log in Ontario and that's how it had to be.also you couldn't push a road through just anywere. it had to be approved by someone in the forstry service. lots of bs but it does make alot of sence when it comes down to it.I'm sure the same rules would apply here in B.C. ,as it does in Ontario. mind you, you don't see the forest striped as much as I see here in Buitiful British Columbia.Not that i'm a tree hugger. Just my to cents to get the ball rolling on this subject.

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[Dan]

but the good news is the Starbucks at Clear Creek will be open soon

Last time we went up we did it on a night run, got caught in a traffic jam of two fullsize crew cab trucks with fullsize campers and long trailers full of ATVs and dirt bikes.

Then had people freaking out when we got there cause one of our group was trying to park in "their" campsite.

Couldn't make them comprehend that it was not "their" campsite, in fact Clear Creek is not a campsite.

I want forestry to go start charging people to camp there now, maybe that would help weed out the rude people.

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Dan
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[MIKE GIESBRECHT]

pretty's timer has gone bankrupt two years ago.also without logging there would be no roads for us to explore at all.think about it