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Yay.... More new taxes...

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#1 ·
Seems the Libs tried to hide a new tax buried in the back of the budget. The tax on privately sold auto's goes from 7% to 12%. Thanks Gordo, it's hard enough to get by as it is but now you want to hurt the working class again? Have to pay for those Olyimpics some how.

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#3 ·
It wasn't really hidden - it was just never mentioned in the news. It's the HST replacing the PST on used cars.

Besides, if times are tough, then it doesn't really matter to cash strapped working class people because they shouldn't be going out and buying expensive used cars. (Assuming that nobody will really care about the extra couple hundred dollars on a cheap used car)
 
#4 ·
I've always felt there shouldn't be any tax on used cars. They get taxed when new, then every time they're resold. For one that gets sold a few times that adds up.
I also don't like paying tax on tax on gasoline, and I don't like... oh, wait what I don't like doesn't much matter.
 
#6 ·
I've always felt there shouldn't be any tax on used cars. They get taxed when new, then every time they're resold. For one that gets sold a few times that adds up.
Agree...I think we call that extortion...no/yes?
 
#5 ·
I always lower the price on paper or gift vehicles I sell for the exact reason stated above (vehicles are taxed when they are new, shouldn't be taxed again and again everytime it changes hands).
 
#9 ·
Its really turning in to quite a crock of chit. Campbell has racked up so much debt over the Olympics, sold off an unknown amount of our natural resources, pushing through tax upon tax to fund his mishaps, and the list goes on and on. I guess thats the danger of a majority government, maybe stuff does get done easier but its not always the right things. And who knows where we'd be if Ms. James got in, that'd be an even far scarier prospect. She's pretty decent at nagging and cracking off negative comment after negative comment in the Lib's direction, but I've never once heard her say anything constructive or offer up any plans. Not really much of a choice, is it?



LR
 
#10 ·
Its really turning in to quite a crock of chit. Campbell has racked up so much debt over the Olympics, sold off an unknown amount of our natural resources, pushing through tax upon tax to fund his mishaps, and the list goes on and on. I guess thats the danger of a majority government, maybe stuff does get done easier but its not always the right things. And who knows where we'd be if Ms. James got in, that'd be an even far scarier prospect. She's pretty decent at nagging and cracking off negative comment after negative comment in the Lib's direction, but I've never once heard her say anything constructive or offer up any plans. Not really much of a choice, is it?





LR

the extra tax is bs but in my veiw, we are still paying for ndp screw ups and the people that support them. money doesnt grow on trees.
 
#14 ·
Ugh. . . So sick of Campbell. Every time there's some new legislation, I don't know a SINGLE person who finds something positive or likeable about it. I wish our ELECTED government actually did some stuff the voters liked / didn't completely hate.
 
#15 ·
government in general can go jump off a tall cliff as far as im concerned. to save myself some $$$ since I live so close to the border most of my grocery shopping is now done in lyndon and bellingham, we can't bring back any fresh fruit or veggies so thats still local. with the dollar, the price of product on the shelf down there, and my wifes coupon skills we save a boatload of cash.

we also fill our vehicles while we are down there. with the fred meyer points card I had enough points to get 10 cents off per gallon last time so the conversion to canadian worked out to 78 cents per litre.

for those of you that live near the border I recomend you look into the economics of cross border shopping but you really need to look into printing online coupons and getting the american newspapers that have coupon sections, its the use of coupons that saves you in a BIG way.
 
#18 ·
Thank you for being part of BC's economic problem by not keeping your dollars circulating locally and handing it directly to the US. Why don't you just move to the US traitor?
 
#16 ·
it's the way of the world right now. has anyone heard of taxes or costs of anything going down in the past few years. cost of everything constantly goes up and as long as there is some kind of excuse attached it's all fine.

i figure it all started with 9/11. costs of everything, especially insurance shot up huge and no one complained because there was a good excuse. ever since then there has been some kind of excuse of "beyond our control" for everything going up. hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados, terrorist attacks, environmental damage, wars etc.

every time there is a hurricane gas prices shoot up because of it but never return to the previous amount.

and i have to say, in gordo's defense :shakehead: he did inherit a financial and structural disaster for a province. bc was dead. he is gaining nothing personally from what he is trying to do. everyone knows this too but likes to forget. he actually got elected on the premise of raising our pst to somehow start to fix things. everyone knew what a disaster we were living in at the time and this is why he was elected. i personally think the bc govt is pointing bc in the right direction unlike our federal gov't which might as well not exist in this part of the country. we just subsidize quebec so they don't try and leave us again.
 
#30 ·
and i have to say, in gordo's defense :shakehead: he did inherit a financial and structural disaster for a province. bc was dead. he is gaining nothing personally from what he is trying to do. everyone knows this too but likes to forget. he actually got elected on the premise of raising our pst to somehow start to fix things..
What, you think the $4 million-a-KM highway to Whistler wasn't making himself or his friends rich? What about huge Concord Pacific developments in Porteau Cove? Squamish? All those places would have been bypassed by an inland coquihalla-style route if they hadnt killed it in the planning stages. It would have cost less and been a better highway. now all we have is a 4 lane road that still narrows down in to 2 lanes, what the hell was the point of spending all of that money? Cronyism!

The best way to make money for yourself is to take advantage of the weak.. and that's exactly what happened. The first two terms went well and we did make up for a lot of NDP mismanagement, but this last term is a joke. I just wish it wasn't the NDP in the opposition... they lost steam 5 years ago and really only serve as a peanut gallery in legislature
 
#17 · (Edited)
I have no problem paying taxes but I wish I just had to pay one tax, once per year. They keep boasting about BC's income tax being one of the lowest rates in the country but then they grab it back on consumption taxes elsewhere. Just give me one bill so I know what my share is.

There should be no tax on used goods, because they colllected the tax when it was bought new. Now they are double dipping and we all know this is a party foul.

My arguement about consumption taxes is that there are those people that save all there money and those that spend. The spenders support the economy and create jobs, the savers pay less taxes and support nothing. Taxes should be equal all the way around whether you spend or not, so we should pay tax based on gross income and that's that. Taxing consumers heavily will result in a shift that will hurt the economy because people will be spending less and then govt revenues will drop. Once the revenues drop then they will shift back to raising income tax and retaining the consumption taxes.

Governments love inflation...the higher the costs, the more tax they generate. Meanwhile our income levels are static unless you are in the legilature or parliament. Then you vote yourself a raise again.

Either way we have to pay tax to support all of the social services and infrastructure we demand.

Did we need a new convention center? Many of us will never use this facility. Do we really need a retractable roof for BC place? Probably not. Do we need more casinos? Nope and I thought they were not going to expand gambling.

Even though this is one of the finest places in the world to live, I'm having a hard time justifying the costs/TAXES. Housing and taxes are way out of touch with the reality of my incomes. I am seriously considering defecting to Oregon. Housing is reasonably priced, there is no sales tax and the weather is quite mild.
 
#23 ·
so you are saying if he was greasing your wallet it'd justify (in your eyes) his bad policies?
 
#28 ·
Wow. I'm with Sass. It could be FAR worse if we had the NDP in power again. The current government is obviously corrupt but at least they have somewhat of a handle on things. What we need in BC is like what they have in Alberta now - a new party to get rid of all the old hacks in the two major encumbent parties. And no I'm not tallking about the Green party or Pot party... both of them are absolute jokes. I mean, while we are at it we might as well start a 4x4 party...
 
#29 ·
make it "the green 4x4 party" and you've got my vote ;)
 
#31 ·
Hey guys sorry to break it to ya but both parties are **** and only exist to keep us arguing amongst ourselves about which one is better instead of looking at the real problem - it's not the NAME of the parties, it's the CONTENTS of the parties.

Oh and FYI, Bush got elected based on tax cuts and promptly made everyone happy by lowering taxes and causing a huge economic meltdown that clinton finished fixing from the OTHER bush's **** ups. NO one likes paying more money but sometimes it's not a BAD thing. Not saying that what they'll DO with the extra money is worth it, but...well..refer back to lines 1 and 2 of this post.

If all we did was lower taxes we would love life and have lots of money.... THAT WE JUST BORROW FROM CHINA. As such, no one likes EXPENSIVE GOODS so hey, lets just give that same money RIGHT BACK to China who makes all this garbage SUPER CHEAP at the expense of their population. China is the 2nd largest economy on the planet and guess what is second place as well - yeah military. Pretty soon the US will need to pay back China and what will they pay it back with? What does the US have more than ANY other country on earth?
 
#39 ·
Lots of pots calling kettle's black
And that's the kind of comment made by someone who doesn't understand economics. Enjoy your popcorn little fella and let the grown ups talk
 
#41 ·
I'm not going to attempt to teach over the Internet what a grade 12 education should have done for me. It's simple, those that ocassionally spend a few dollars on eBay are not "pots" calling those "kettles" that go out of their way to buy EVERYTHING from us retailers, just to spite Campbell, "black". Unfortunately, yes, some things are a) only available from US vendors or b) the savings even after duty are significant enough to say "yes I could get this locally but 'Joes 4X4' is jacking the price so screw filling his wallet". But I am not driving over the border to go grocery shopping, gas filling, wardrobe expanding or school supply stocking. The difference is my money has a chance to circulate locally a few times before making it's way out of the country paying local peoples jobs in many areas of employment (the guy unloading the trucks at the grocery stores and gas bars for example).
 
#46 ·
I'm not going to attempt to teach over the Internet what a grade 12 education should have done for me. It's simple, those that ocassionally spend a few dollars on eBay are not "pots" calling those "kettles" that go out of their way to buy EVERYTHING from us retailers, just to spite Campbell, "black".
So if Joe Blow spends $1400 dollars on groceries in one year. How is that any different then spending $1400 on a set of Interco tires imported from the US?

Big news flash, most Canadian companys have sold out to US companies. So before you gripe about keeping money with in the country, understand where your money is going when you spend it and where most of these companies actually get their product from.

Unfortunately, yes, some things are a) only available from US vendors or b) the savings even after duty are significant enough to say "yes I could get this locally but 'Joes 4X4' is jacking the price so screw filling his wallet".
Is he actually jacking the price up or is he victim of over taxation and duty costs by importing merchandise over the border?

But I am not driving over the border to go grocery shopping, gas filling, wardrobe expanding or school supply stocking. The difference is my money has a chance to circulate locally a few times before making it's way out of the country paying local peoples jobs in many areas of employment (the guy unloading the trucks at the grocery stores and gas bars for example).
Yeah local food that is overpriced and gas bars that ramp up prices whenever there is a crysis on the other side of the world. Companies that somehow justify that gas is more expensive to extract during the summer rather than the winter charging over 1$ for low grade gasoline.

Its not a matter of supporting your government or canadian jobs. It usually comes down to feeding your family and lowering your cost of living during bad economic times. Also keep in mind that we export crap loads of goods to the US. So if their economy goes to crap and there are no jobs down there, how do you think it fairs for Canadian business. Money that is spent down there eventually gets used to buy goods from Canada.

Where you spend your money is not the issue, its simple spending or lack there of is the issue.
 
#42 ·
i may or may not have a friend whos sibling works very closley with gordon...and he may or may not be retiring when the olyimpics is over because there might of been some death threats that may or may not be within his control due to high volumes...

just what i might of been told
 
#47 ·
If there are too many taxes or overhead causing local companies to lose business to online or US retailers maybe the blame shouldn't be put on the CONSUMERS, but maybe..JUST MAYBE the RETAILERS should, if it affects them SO MUCH,.....


>ADAPT<. COMPLAIN. MAKE CHANGES. STOP EXPECTING THE CONSUMER TO BAIL THEM OUT WHEN THEY CAN'T COMPETE.

We live in a free country, based on CAPITALISM.

Thusfar the only reason for the consumer to NOT buy stuff from the states is the headache of dealing with UPS/Fedex. If WE can buy it cheaper than them, then why don't they try a little harder. I know B at jeapthrills tries, and in most cases i'll buy from him because the price markup isn't that much over what a US retailler can provide and to me the service and convenience easily makes up for it...so why can't other companies?
 
#49 ·
Thusfar the only reason for the consumer to NOT buy stuff from the states is the headache of dealing with UPS/Fedex. If WE can buy it cheaper than them, then why don't they try a little harder. I know B at jeapthrills tries, and in most cases i'll buy from him because the price markup isn't that much over what a US retailler can provide and to me the service and convenience easily makes up for it.
What's really disgusting is that UPS/Fedex bull****. Canada and the US have a free-trade agreement (limited to goods made in Can/US) but good ol' UPS likes to tack on ridiculous amounts of money for handling the paperwork.
 
#51 ·
i think bcsavage would be singing a different tune if he lived minutes from a border crossing. but being in the interior, well...he's pretty much stuck getting raped. maybe he enjoys paying huge markups where us bordertown bc'ers have the option...or maybe he thinks buying chinese made goods at walmart will keep his hard earned dollars in canada.

if i was to buy interco tires, if any local shops had them IN STOCK, then id look to them first and foremost. but if its a considerable savings of 25% or more (which it usually is even after taxes, exchange, M&B), i'll gladly shop across the line. why pay someone else to do all the cross boder shopping when i can do it myself? why do you think most shops have such a huge markup from the stuff ordered from the states? that brokerage fee has to be passed on to the consumer somehow...
 
#52 ·
Most places have a BROKER. So yeah there's some extra fee but it's not 110% like i've had with UPS and 33.3% markup with Fedex (50 bucks both ways, one item was 150 the other was 40)

So yeah, go to walmart and buy your chinese junk for really cheap. It's better than going to canadian tire and buying that same chinese junk for expensive. I'm pretty sure all those shipping containers that say 'canadian tire' on them are going EAST FROM vancouver, not WEST >INTO< vancouver.
 
#57 ·
hmmm... I musta failed economics or something... I always thought in a free market the only real way to drive, and keep prices down in the long term is to shop for the best value (all things being equal usually measured in $)... I always thought that was the markets way of weeding out inefficient retailers/suppliers/manufacturers etc...

Imagine if there was no cross border or online shopping how much would you be paying for goods then?

The argument that this costs Canadian jobs is true, but is also ciruclar... If the Canadian alternative provides better value then people will shop here...
 
#58 ·
Yup you are correct. Its all about marketting.

People should be looking for the best bang for their buck. You shouldn't justify spending money at a certain place and paying markups by saying its paying for jobs within the country. When you buy items at Wal-Mart...how much of that cash is actually going toward the employees? Whats the justification for charging more?

By using your options and buying for best value, it puts pressure on people to lower their prices to make business.

When I recently bought shocks for my Jeep. I looked at an $80 and $125 shock. Both were created to do the same thing. Whats the justification?

The $125 shock was adjustable and had a larger cylinder to keep the component cool under use, there is the justification. After contacting, Gemini and having them say it would take over a week to get them in and then having Jeap Thrills delivering them on the SAME DAY. Well you know where I put my money.

However, if I was a blind and went with Gemini, I would have been supporting sub par business. What if Gemini was Canadian and Jeap Thrills was American...would you invest your money into a business just because it was Canadian and allow people to keep their jobs for running a slow business?
 
#59 ·
it seems to me that an official retailer of a certain item from u.s. gets that item a fair bit cheaper than the u.s. retail price i would pay online. if this discount isn't enough to be competitive with me ordering it online from that manufacturer then why bother?

i am thinking about the time a certain retailer quoted me a price of $550 + tax for a set of wet okole seat covers that were $225 online from wet okole. how can this possibly be justified?
 
#60 ·
i am thinking about the time a certain retailer quoted me a price of $550 + tax for a set of wet okole seat covers that were $225 online from wet okole. how can this possibly be justified?
When I sold Okole years ago, I never paid less than $350-400 for the basic covers, so this sounds like another case of a US supplier getting much better pricing. Oh wait, you bought them direct from the mfg; gotta like when they undercut their own distributors.



 
#61 ·
I have decided not to go cross border grocery shoping any more, bcsavage has showed me the error of my ways and how it makes makes people here lose there jobs..... NOT!

where my gst/carbon tax cheque, I wanna go spend it in washington :)
 
#62 ·
lol. Ok. I've decided to stop sharing my opinion. I'm outnumbered here. Thanks for the conversation. It's been enlightening.
 
#63 ·
if you lived next to the border like I do(well 5 minutes away, close enough) I can guarentee you would be tempted to do at least a little cross border shopping. of course if you havn't tried it you can't say you wont like it. I used to hate crossing the border, more hassle then it was worth I thought, but not anymore. its worth the trip.

but you also miss the idea that voting with your wallet is helpfull to the economy longterm. sure maybe a job or 2 in abbotsford will be lost because maybe 100 people in abbotsford are grocery shopping in the states...... but maybe future shop has to hire more people cause those 100 people can now spend there savings on entertainment that isn't worth paying duty on to bring back across the border so they buy that locally. half my groceries used to be bought at walmart anyway.
 
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